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"FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem" (fuelstratifiedinjection) 07/23/2016 at 05:31 • Filed to: None

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TIL that not even the Golf R has got LED tail lights in the U.S.

wtf is up with that?

Echo51 > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 05:40

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Hasn’t america always been ass-backwards when it comes to new technology? Thinking the laser headlamps that’s also not legal, and the entire sealed beam stuff you guys ran a while back...

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Echo51 07/23/2016 at 05:43

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I know that laser matrix headlights are not allowed but plain jane led tail lights? I mean even our 11 year old car has them.

Cé hé sin > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 05:54

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I don’t think LED lights are illegal in the US so maybe some other feature of the “rest of the world” lights rules them out over there.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Cé hé sin 07/23/2016 at 06:23

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Getting a car certified for the US must be the biggest pain in the ass for automakers.

BvdV - The Dutch Engineer > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 06:28

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Getting a car certified for the US must be the biggest pain in the ass for automakers.

Fixed that for you!

Svend > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 06:28

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Isn’t there something about the Buick Regal lights also.

Something about the rear indicators were built into the brake light/rear side lights as opposed to using the rear indicators like the rest of the worlds Holden/Vauxhall/Opel Insignia Mk1.

Svend > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 06:38

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Ye’, it certainly is.

Having to crash test every make, model and engine variation.

They have to work on the principles of cost of crash tests to sales. If the sales figures aren't expected to be over a certain number it's not financially viable. Hence no three door Fiesta, VW Scirocco or Buick Regal estate/wagon.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Svend 07/23/2016 at 07:00

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I think it’s the same with the Mk3 Focus.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Svend 07/23/2016 at 07:08

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That sucks for jalops on the other side of the pond. TPP could make things way easier for the automotive industry with global standards. But if the US insists on pushing their rather meh standards on us could be a setback for us Europeans.

(Just realized Brexit happened, that would mean the UK would probably not be part of the TTP)

Svend > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 07:24

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You got the Mk3 though. You didn’t get the Mk2 or Mk2.5.

Mk2

Mk2.5

Though you may not of got the early Mk3. There have been several different looks to the Mk3. We are currently on the Mk4.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 07:32

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Short answer: the Euro tails are totall different than the US spec ones and don’t meet DOT requirements (not sure why, tho). It’s cheaper to just put the regular Golf lights in, especially since most folks mod their lighting, anyway.

German Golf R there. Lights may be too “skinny” to meet DOT specs.

Svend > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 07:32

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The TPP as it stands would be awful. Companies could sue governments if they don’t allow certain things that other countries allow. I certainly hope it doesn’t come about anytime soon with out a major rethink.

Well Obama said we'd be at "the back of the queue when it comes to striking new deals" if the U.K. left the E.U. (I'd always really liked the guy then he issues a threat, prick).

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Svend 07/23/2016 at 07:36

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I’m not in the US haha, I’m in Germany. The US got a facelifted Focus Mk1 sedan instead of a Focus Mk2 and a very ugly sedan after that before 2011 when the current Focus launched.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Svend 07/23/2016 at 07:39

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What I hate is the intransparency. Thank God most people (including me) oppose TPP

Svend > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 07:42

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Sorry about that. U.S. seems to be my default unless I know they are British, Dutch or Canadian.

We got the saloon here in the U.K. (the later one) but it never really sold well, not did the coupe-cabriolet.

Though a guy at work had one.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 07/23/2016 at 07:42

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Wow, not allowing OEM taillights but not giving a damn when people get cheap ass taillights off of Ebay that don’t meet any regulations or tinting them so they’re not fully visible.

Gotta love dumb double standards.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Svend 07/23/2016 at 07:52

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There are only three Germans on Oppo plus me, at least afaik. The Focus saloon is almost a unicorn, I think I’ve seen only one Focus saloon of the current generation thus far. The cabriolet is relatively rare as well, though not as rare as the saloon. I really like the Mk2 Focus, the ST especially.

Cé hé sin > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 07/23/2016 at 08:15

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The indicators are probably too small. For the same reason the Americans don’t get the sequential rear indicators that Audi use - the individual elements are too small.

Svend > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 08:32

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Companies should be held accountable to governments and the people not governments and the people to companies.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Svend 07/23/2016 at 08:40

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This^ x1000

Svend > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 09:12

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We don’t get the current one in saloon form, just the five door and the estate.

I know a guy who got rid of his Mk2.5 Ford Focus RS for a Mk4 Focus ST. Doh.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Svend 07/23/2016 at 09:57

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The saloon sold/sells in abysmal numbers here. Who would get rid of a future classic with almost guaranteed cult status for a rather meh hot hatch.

Svend > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 10:06

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Hatches are more practical for the size segment the Focus is in. Saloons are great for large and luxury vehicles that tend not to be used for what smaller segment vehicles are used for.

spanfucker retire bitch > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 10:52

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TTIP is the agreement between the EU and the U.S. - it hasn’t even been formalized yet and is still being negotiated as we speak.

TPP is the Pacific one.

And no, with the UK leaving the EU, they would have to form their own trade agreement between both the EU and the U.S. separately.

yamahog > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 11:45

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It’s about who’s liable: the OEM or the customer. In some areas, customers can be ticketed for lights out, missing, over tinted, etc.

Bimmerphile? > FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem 07/23/2016 at 11:53

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Yes, costs for homologation are insane, and it’s why we don’t get a lot of the really cool shit from overseas (ahem RS6 Avant). If only our world could agree on something and have one global standard... too bad that’ll never happen.

twochevrons > Svend 07/23/2016 at 13:44

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I think it’s something to do with the area covered by the rear turn signal. My US-market Golf GTI has the same tail lights as the rest-of-the-world Golf, but there are red reflectors in place of the amber turn signals, and instead it uses the brake lights as turn signals. Bleh.

Though, it’s not as bad as the Tiguan. US Tiguans have amber turn signals that DON’T DO ANYTHING, and flash the brake lights to signal turns. Presumably again, because the amber turn signals aren’t big enough for US regulations.

Svend > twochevrons 07/23/2016 at 14:08

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So the U.S. Golf has deleted rear indicators which are replaced by reflectors and the indicators use the rear brake light?

In the U.K. you can’t have indicators that use the brake light or other tail light. U.S. cars that are imported legally have to have them separated before they will be approved for registration.

I can’t get my head around taking a perfectly useful light and the going, ‘hmm, lets put this one into that one and blank the other off’. Sure if there was no indicator there and rather than remanufacturing a new light cluster, I may be tempted to say ‘hey, you know what, can we use one of the existing lights in some way?’.

twochevrons > Svend 07/23/2016 at 14:29

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It’s absurd. I’m actually thinking about replacing the tail lights with ones that behave correctly, since I’m vehemently opposed to combined brake and turn signals.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > spanfucker retire bitch 07/23/2016 at 14:50

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Stupid me, I thought that TPP was the English designation for TTIP lol.

Svend > twochevrons 07/23/2016 at 14:52

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Cool.

I really can’t get my head around blanking off a light to integrate it into another light or disconnect a light to put it in with another.

If I had two half full bottles I’d be all over putting it into just the one bottle as it’s less to carry when I walking if I put the now empty bottle in the bin but if I’ve got to carry both bottles I’d be, lets just leave it where it is and not mix the drinks up.

You mate, have, blown, my, mind. Seriously my mind right here is blown.

What does the U.S. government is going to happen? ‘right folks we need to do something about having too many lights lit on the rear of the car at any one point.

Granted it does seem to be a thing in the U.S. to sit on the foot brake as opposed to applying the handbrake and taking it out of gear but still.

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > yamahog 07/23/2016 at 14:54

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That is very true but what puzzles me is the fact that stupid US regulations prevent you, the customer from having new innovative technology (e.g. Audi’s Matrix led headlights)

FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem > Bimmerphile? 07/23/2016 at 14:55

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That’s one point where TTIP could bring in some progress despite the rest of TTIP being bullshit.